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		<title>by: Karen</title>
		<link>http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2008/05/leader-or-whiner/#comment-45724</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 13:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>When someone else points out a problem, it's whining.  When we identify it, it's insighful.  No one likes whining, but we need to be careful in identification.</description>
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		<title>by: Ron Berglund,MPH</title>
		<link>http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2008/05/leader-or-whiner/#comment-44999</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 20:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Now would be a good time for MI to recruit some leaders to make the hard decisions about Government corruption, failed economic policies via the new single business tax and a never ending population being treated for sickness (medicad) rather than solving and preventing incidence public health.
Any suggestions?</description>
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		<title>by: Bill</title>
		<link>http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2008/05/leader-or-whiner/#comment-44986</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 19:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This sounds like whining to me!
Bill
Grassroots Organizer
Mulhern in '10</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This sounds like whining to me!<br />
Bill<br />
Grassroots Organizer<br />
Mulhern in &#8216;10
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		<title>by: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2008/05/leader-or-whiner/#comment-44963</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 15:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dan:

Who said anything about eliminating Corporate Taxes? Just make them competitive to other states that are getting the manufacturing jobs. 

Also there is a big difference between services peple want and services people need. People want alot of things and the question becomes should they do for themselves or feed off the government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan:</p>
<p>Who said anything about eliminating Corporate Taxes? Just make them competitive to other states that are getting the manufacturing jobs. </p>
<p>Also there is a big difference between services peple want and services people need. People want alot of things and the question becomes should they do for themselves or feed off the government.
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		<title>by: Mark John Hunter</title>
		<link>http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2008/05/leader-or-whiner/#comment-44892</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 22:31:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Name calling is related to whining, since  a person can be called a whiner as a tactic.  If the person on the other side of a debate can be called a whiner, or negative, or some other undesirable term, then they are put down.  If we are to talk about whiners and whining, then we should be careful in calling someone a whiner.  Whining has to do with behaving with the misguided, inappropriate attributes of a child.  There are also good and much to be desired attributes of children.  And so when we might so "from the mouths of babes," then we are not talking about whining.  A comment with some wisdom is not whining.  A comment whose idea can make things better, rather than worse is not whining.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Name calling is related to whining, since  a person can be called a whiner as a tactic.  If the person on the other side of a debate can be called a whiner, or negative, or some other undesirable term, then they are put down.  If we are to talk about whiners and whining, then we should be careful in calling someone a whiner.  Whining has to do with behaving with the misguided, inappropriate attributes of a child.  There are also good and much to be desired attributes of children.  And so when we might so &#8220;from the mouths of babes,&#8221; then we are not talking about whining.  A comment with some wisdom is not whining.  A comment whose idea can make things better, rather than worse is not whining.
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		<title>by: danmulhern</title>
		<link>http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2008/05/leader-or-whiner/#comment-44873</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Antiadvocate,
Eloquent thoughts on a personal and spiritual level.  We are surely blessed in this country beyond all objective measures of fairness.
d</description>
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Eloquent thoughts on a personal and spiritual level.  We are surely blessed in this country beyond all objective measures of fairness.<br />
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		<title>by: danmulhern</title>
		<link>http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2008/05/leader-or-whiner/#comment-44872</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:51:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dave,
You're right SHE'S THE GOV!
But you're wrong that she can willy-nilly lower taxes.  There are two houses to the legislature, and there is the question of how you fund services that people want.  Do you remember that the Rs NEVER put on the table a plan to balance the budget without taxes last fall.  
So, I think CONSTRUCTIVE criticism means getting beyond the wishful: eliminate corporate taxes.  And move towards something based in facts as difficult as you face in your own business. 
D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />
You&#8217;re right SHE&#8217;S THE GOV!<br />
But you&#8217;re wrong that she can willy-nilly lower taxes.  There are two houses to the legislature, and there is the question of how you fund services that people want.  Do you remember that the Rs NEVER put on the table a plan to balance the budget without taxes last fall.<br />
So, I think CONSTRUCTIVE criticism means getting beyond the wishful: eliminate corporate taxes.  And move towards something based in facts as difficult as you face in your own business.<br />
D.
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		<title>by: danmulhern</title>
		<link>http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2008/05/leader-or-whiner/#comment-44871</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:45:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Evelyn,
You little devil you!  :-)
D.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evelyn,<br />
You little devil you!  <img src='http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
D.
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		<title>by: danmulhern</title>
		<link>http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2008/05/leader-or-whiner/#comment-44870</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 17:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dave,
Had a crazy day yesterday.
Thanks for sharing your specifics on the tax situation.
There are surely some in unions with a "take them down with us" attitude, but most I've known, just want to be treated fairly.  They don't have their heads in the sand when it comes to global competition, but they also don't want to give up everything.  Nor should they.  I don't disagree with you that businesses - and icnreasingly small businesses - need to drive growth.  In the best businesses managmeent and labor negotiate, but they all understand that the pie has to grow if the slices are to get bigger.  I admire a company like Herman MIller that went through significant contraction and cost-cutting but fought their way back onto the Fortune list of "100 Best Companies to Work For."  In short, it takes leadership in business and in labor to get there.  Check out Mill Steel sometime; they were twice names "Best of the Best" in a Grand Rapids area competition to find great companies.  They are unionized - Canadian Auto Workers and US Steel Workers.  They work WITH their unions and it works.  Their workers will even cut hours if it creates productivity; guess why: they beneift through profit-sharing despite losing on the wage side.
So, that's why I'm not an ideologue and have problems with people who paint unions (or businesses or politicians) with the broadest of brushes.
As to Michigan's situation and taxes.  There is a critical balancing act that goes on.  Private investment by individuals and businesses are vital. But so are public investments; think: roads, schools, prisons, enforcement, all of which generate quality of life and the foudnation for economic activity. 
It is no easy challenge when there is sustained contraction.  Nobody (other than a few right wing wackos, which I don't think you are) believes that state tax policy got us where we are.  We're smakc in the middle of most tax indices.  We are here, and you must knwo it given your business, because we are watcing the end of an era:  low wage, high pay/profit manufacturing.  Technology and foreign competition have made the mid-50s model untenable.  So, now we scramble for public and private resources to get ourselves on our feet.
Public spending on health care matters, otherwise the Blues and others will spread uncompensated ER costs to . . . guess who? . . . you, Dave. Education matters, because if we don't have an educated workforce we're sunk.
Have we shrunken public spending? Hugely.  Cars, travel, training, on and on -- all cut if not altogether eliminated.  Is there room for contraction in public spending?  Sure.  What's the biggest area?  Prisons - a department with more employees than all public/mental health and all aid programs put together (and those are #2 and #3).  Can Jennifer cut those back?  No.  Not without legislative help.  Will they?  No.  Why?  You ask them.  We have the most restrictive guidelienss in the mdiwest; we pay (welfare?) to keep thosuands of people in prison instead of getting the productive and into the economy.  That's overhwelmingly our best prospect for savings.  Where is business on that issue?
Hope this sheds some light.
I wish you enormous success in your work to build a successful business and keep good jobs in Michigan.
Peace,
Dan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />
Had a crazy day yesterday.<br />
Thanks for sharing your specifics on the tax situation.<br />
There are surely some in unions with a &#8220;take them down with us&#8221; attitude, but most I&#8217;ve known, just want to be treated fairly.  They don&#8217;t have their heads in the sand when it comes to global competition, but they also don&#8217;t want to give up everything.  Nor should they.  I don&#8217;t disagree with you that businesses - and icnreasingly small businesses - need to drive growth.  In the best businesses managmeent and labor negotiate, but they all understand that the pie has to grow if the slices are to get bigger.  I admire a company like Herman MIller that went through significant contraction and cost-cutting but fought their way back onto the Fortune list of &#8220;100 Best Companies to Work For.&#8221;  In short, it takes leadership in business and in labor to get there.  Check out Mill Steel sometime; they were twice names &#8220;Best of the Best&#8221; in a Grand Rapids area competition to find great companies.  They are unionized - Canadian Auto Workers and US Steel Workers.  They work WITH their unions and it works.  Their workers will even cut hours if it creates productivity; guess why: they beneift through profit-sharing despite losing on the wage side.<br />
So, that&#8217;s why I&#8217;m not an ideologue and have problems with people who paint unions (or businesses or politicians) with the broadest of brushes.<br />
As to Michigan&#8217;s situation and taxes.  There is a critical balancing act that goes on.  Private investment by individuals and businesses are vital. But so are public investments; think: roads, schools, prisons, enforcement, all of which generate quality of life and the foudnation for economic activity.<br />
It is no easy challenge when there is sustained contraction.  Nobody (other than a few right wing wackos, which I don&#8217;t think you are) believes that state tax policy got us where we are.  We&#8217;re smakc in the middle of most tax indices.  We are here, and you must knwo it given your business, because we are watcing the end of an era:  low wage, high pay/profit manufacturing.  Technology and foreign competition have made the mid-50s model untenable.  So, now we scramble for public and private resources to get ourselves on our feet.<br />
Public spending on health care matters, otherwise the Blues and others will spread uncompensated ER costs to . . . guess who? . . . you, Dave. Education matters, because if we don&#8217;t have an educated workforce we&#8217;re sunk.<br />
Have we shrunken public spending? Hugely.  Cars, travel, training, on and on &#8212; all cut if not altogether eliminated.  Is there room for contraction in public spending?  Sure.  What&#8217;s the biggest area?  Prisons - a department with more employees than all public/mental health and all aid programs put together (and those are #2 and #3).  Can Jennifer cut those back?  No.  Not without legislative help.  Will they?  No.  Why?  You ask them.  We have the most restrictive guidelienss in the mdiwest; we pay (welfare?) to keep thosuands of people in prison instead of getting the productive and into the economy.  That&#8217;s overhwelmingly our best prospect for savings.  Where is business on that issue?<br />
Hope this sheds some light.<br />
I wish you enormous success in your work to build a successful business and keep good jobs in Michigan.<br />
Peace,<br />
Dan
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		<title>by: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2008/05/leader-or-whiner/#comment-44832</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 12:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Activadvocate:

Your comment about the lack of power of the govenor to changes things is incorrect. She does have the ability to make Michigan an attractive place to do business. She has the ability to lower taxes for corporations so they want to come to this state. 

There is another side to the whining question and that is the ability for people to take constructive criticism. I am just an example of many small businesses that in total employs millions of individuals. The fact that our tax policy in Michigan is driving existing companies out of the State and keeping new manufacturing from coming in is directly hurting millions of workers. The small businesses that do not have the resouces to move are losing there customer base and many are closing their doors. 

Don't you think that encouraging business in the state and thus getting millions to keep their jobs and create new ones is better than people moving out of state and reducing the tax base or people staying in the state and becoming unemployed and taking benifits out of the tax revenues?

The govenor not only has the power but the obligation to see to it that as many people who can work have the opportunity to do so. 

To say that this is unrealistic and simplistic is horribly dismissive and arrogant. This is her job!!!. Look around to the other states that are making changes and reaping the benefits of new business in their states. If she cannot affect change in a POSITIVE way then what is she doing there!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Activadvocate:</p>
<p>Your comment about the lack of power of the govenor to changes things is incorrect. She does have the ability to make Michigan an attractive place to do business. She has the ability to lower taxes for corporations so they want to come to this state. </p>
<p>There is another side to the whining question and that is the ability for people to take constructive criticism. I am just an example of many small businesses that in total employs millions of individuals. The fact that our tax policy in Michigan is driving existing companies out of the State and keeping new manufacturing from coming in is directly hurting millions of workers. The small businesses that do not have the resouces to move are losing there customer base and many are closing their doors. </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t you think that encouraging business in the state and thus getting millions to keep their jobs and create new ones is better than people moving out of state and reducing the tax base or people staying in the state and becoming unemployed and taking benifits out of the tax revenues?</p>
<p>The govenor not only has the power but the obligation to see to it that as many people who can work have the opportunity to do so. </p>
<p>To say that this is unrealistic and simplistic is horribly dismissive and arrogant. This is her job!!!. Look around to the other states that are making changes and reaping the benefits of new business in their states. If she cannot affect change in a POSITIVE way then what is she doing there!!!
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		<title>by: Rick</title>
		<link>http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2008/05/leader-or-whiner/#comment-44828</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 12:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good Morning,
Reviewing all the comments so far due to your whine article, interesting!
Dan I thank you for bringing in thoughts, ideas, and always trying to stir up my complacency (that is to get me outside the privacy box of my ordinary existance where I basically hide out).
Leading has been many things, such as challenging, changing, time consuming, unrewarding, till you have perhaps one rewarding moment that carries a long ways in your memory.
Thanks for listening and your right each of us can make a difference one person at a time....I will strive to make this place better then when I found it.
Rick</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good Morning,<br />
Reviewing all the comments so far due to your whine article, interesting!<br />
Dan I thank you for bringing in thoughts, ideas, and always trying to stir up my complacency (that is to get me outside the privacy box of my ordinary existance where I basically hide out).<br />
Leading has been many things, such as challenging, changing, time consuming, unrewarding, till you have perhaps one rewarding moment that carries a long ways in your memory.<br />
Thanks for listening and your right each of us can make a difference one person at a time&#8230;.I will strive to make this place better then when I found it.<br />
Rick
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		<title>by: Activadvocate</title>
		<link>http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2008/05/leader-or-whiner/#comment-44783</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 May 2008 01:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>When I hear someone complaining about the economy, or the fact that their new draperies came from a dye lot different from the bedspread, or their car broke down and they had to spend their whole tax incentive to fix it, I think to myself, "and you think YOU have problems????!"  How many people in Baghdad, with bombs dropping on their heads, would be so happy if the economy were so bad they had to cut back on the use of their car... because they don't dare drive their car!  How many people in Myanmar or China, who have watched their children die, would be first in line to trade places with someone whose biggest problem is a color mismatch in their bedroom?  How many people around the world, payng half their income for food, would wish to get a tax incentive so they could have more than one meal a day?

I could go on... how many people whining about their shoes pinching are grateful to have feet?  How many people whose eyesight isn't what it used to be are grateful to have a memory, and a mind that works?

When I think I have a problem, like tension about being late for an appointment, I try to reframe it.  Like, "Maybe this will be the worst thing that happens to me today, and wouldn't that make it a perfectly lovely day--no multiple deaths among family and friends, no plagues, a car that works, etc."

Americans' expectations about how things should always be are so hyper-unrealistic compared with the expectations of other people around the world--people who are happier!

Remember the Serenity Prayer:  As you say, Dan, we need to accept the things we cannot change, the courage to change the things we can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

Venting just lets off steam, wastefully.  If that steam were harnessed to change things, how many good things it could drive, like steam engine.

While my heart goes out to someone who's invested even his home in his hope that the economy will turn around, and my hope is that it will, it seems unrealistically naive and simplistic to suppose that one woman in the governor's mansion of one state has the power to change the worldwide economy or the national economy.  We need to remember that Michigan is just one part of a very large system, all of it in decline.  All of us need to do what we can, and not look over our shoulders to cast stones at others, imagining that they could do more (as they may imagine that we could do more).

Great advice, Dan:  accept the things we cannot change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I hear someone complaining about the economy, or the fact that their new draperies came from a dye lot different from the bedspread, or their car broke down and they had to spend their whole tax incentive to fix it, I think to myself, &#8220;and you think YOU have problems????!&#8221;  How many people in Baghdad, with bombs dropping on their heads, would be so happy if the economy were so bad they had to cut back on the use of their car&#8230; because they don&#8217;t dare drive their car!  How many people in Myanmar or China, who have watched their children die, would be first in line to trade places with someone whose biggest problem is a color mismatch in their bedroom?  How many people around the world, payng half their income for food, would wish to get a tax incentive so they could have more than one meal a day?</p>
<p>I could go on&#8230; how many people whining about their shoes pinching are grateful to have feet?  How many people whose eyesight isn&#8217;t what it used to be are grateful to have a memory, and a mind that works?</p>
<p>When I think I have a problem, like tension about being late for an appointment, I try to reframe it.  Like, &#8220;Maybe this will be the worst thing that happens to me today, and wouldn&#8217;t that make it a perfectly lovely day&#8211;no multiple deaths among family and friends, no plagues, a car that works, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>Americans&#8217; expectations about how things should always be are so hyper-unrealistic compared with the expectations of other people around the world&#8211;people who are happier!</p>
<p>Remember the Serenity Prayer:  As you say, Dan, we need to accept the things we cannot change, the courage to change the things we can, and the wisdom to know the difference.</p>
<p>Venting just lets off steam, wastefully.  If that steam were harnessed to change things, how many good things it could drive, like steam engine.</p>
<p>While my heart goes out to someone who&#8217;s invested even his home in his hope that the economy will turn around, and my hope is that it will, it seems unrealistically naive and simplistic to suppose that one woman in the governor&#8217;s mansion of one state has the power to change the worldwide economy or the national economy.  We need to remember that Michigan is just one part of a very large system, all of it in decline.  All of us need to do what we can, and not look over our shoulders to cast stones at others, imagining that they could do more (as they may imagine that we could do more).</p>
<p>Great advice, Dan:  accept the things we cannot change.
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		<title>by: John Knight</title>
		<link>http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2008/05/leader-or-whiner/#comment-44771</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 22:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Dan,

One of our old colleagues at UD High used to have a simple sign in his classroom - "No whining allowed".  Carl was always trying to get his students to accept the challenges that life threw their way.  I can not begin to count the number of times I have thought about that sign, especially when I find myself whining about all of the little stuff of life that challenges me.

Thanks for your great work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dan,</p>
<p>One of our old colleagues at UD High used to have a simple sign in his classroom - &#8220;No whining allowed&#8221;.  Carl was always trying to get his students to accept the challenges that life threw their way.  I can not begin to count the number of times I have thought about that sign, especially when I find myself whining about all of the little stuff of life that challenges me.</p>
<p>Thanks for your great work!
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		<title>by: Dave</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow! I would like to see some examples. If you are talking legislation the last time I looked the Democrates have been in control...</description>
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		<title>by: Gerald S.</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 19:08:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have no intention to argue the point between leader and whiner. My concern is that we have become a nation of blamers. Americans through the years have had a tendency to emulate the president. We see in George W. Bush, the poster child of a blamer. It's always someone else's fault. Georgie can never blame himself and take responsibility for his totally incompetent character and personality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no intention to argue the point between leader and whiner. My concern is that we have become a nation of blamers. Americans through the years have had a tendency to emulate the president. We see in George W. Bush, the poster child of a blamer. It&#8217;s always someone else&#8217;s fault. Georgie can never blame himself and take responsibility for his totally incompetent character and personality.
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