Comments on: 5 Minutes in the Next 3 Days – Grumble or Act

By: Mark

Mark — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:49:33 +0000

I do want to ad this note, for what it is worth. I take this ‘demise’ of Michigan, and Detroit, personal. My ancestry was very integral in the formation of Detroit as a city, especially along the river, River Rouge, etc. Loyalty runs deep, to all of my heritages, French, Ottawa Indian, Michigander (by birth and childhood), but most importantly…..AMERICAN. In quoting John Paul Jones, a sailor, a patriot, “I have not yet begun to fight.” This should be the everyday citizens mantra. Apathy needs to be a forgotten trait of so many.

However, due to the failures of representation, I’m strongly looking for replacements…..across the board. Sort of like the owner of a pro sports franchise. WE own this country. YOU work for US. STEP UP, or STEP AWAY.

GET OUT THE VOTE. BRING IN NEW INDEPENDENTS.

On a better note: Congrats to Brandon Inge, repping the Tigers and central Virginia quite well.

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By: Dave Kops

Dave Kops — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 19:22:50 +0000

We have a failed political system. No longer is there the “after 5 friendships” of the past. It is all over… is on a national level with the President and Congress. Whether it was Bush or Obama, Republicans in charge of the Congress or Dems, the results are the same. Zany political one-ups-manship that reads well in a press release. In Michigan, it is the same. The Governor is paranoid someone is out to get her, get credit, or somehow challenge her. House and Senate politicians vote on political agendas, not with their eyes on their constituents. We are told to deal with tax increases because they are a necessary “sacrifice” even as they send more people and businesses leaving us dry. It is a wreck right now in Washington and in Lansing. The only positives I have seen have been the leadership of Dillon (health care initiatives) and Bishop (pushing forward with hard cuts) and the two of them partnering together to figure out what they can do since no one else has taken the lead. That’s the only positive. Considering that I just mentioned over 700 local or national politicians, that’s sad.

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By: Mark

Mark — Tue, 29 Sep 2009 16:25:30 +0000

I do not live in Michigan either, although I was born there (Crittenden hospital in Detroit) and lived in Rochester until my high school years.
My father was a mid level Chrysler exec. There was never anything but the big three, and a few small units such as American Motors. Life was good, living in the country v. downtown city, playing sports, climbing trees, planting a garden, riding horses…….but before all that came SCHOOL responsibilities. Education was assessed as the way to get from blue collar status to white collar financial rewards. Unions felt that blue collar should be paid similar to white collar, although the school discipline wasn’t a necessity. I had numerous job options as a high school kid, and beyond. Free enterprise was not involved as much with the lobbyist influence and corruption peddling rampant today, at every government level.
I cannot give Michiganders a direction to follow in order to serve a resolve to the immediate crisis in your state, but I do know this…..both parties that control our government have let down their constituency, selling themselves as prostitutes to their greed influenced paradigms. Sadly, the best resolve at this point is revolutionary….the removal from power both Democrats and Republicans.

GET OUT THE VOTE!!!!!

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By: dan

dan — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 19:26:33 +0000

Well, Katherine Crowley, we’d love to have you in Michigan! Thanks for the encouragement.
Dan

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By: Katherine Crowley

Katherine Crowley — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 18:55:07 +0000

I don’t live in Michigan, but I sure do appreciate the thoughtful and constructive exchange of ideas going on here. Thanks for creating the forum.
KC from NYC

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By: dan

dan — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:55:58 +0000

Karl,
Interesting thoughts on ways to generate revenue.
Dan

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By: dan

dan — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:54:36 +0000

Dave,
It’s an interesting viewpoint. Mary is wrong on Governor’s stance on health care. She remains open to it. Mary Kramer makes an interesting point on tax expenditures. She wonders – not exactly taking the position – that we should eliminate business incentives and just improve the tax structure generally. That’s an interesting position, but i disagree. I think we really need to stimulate these new sectors – like energy – that play off our strengths, rather than just hope lower taxes alone will do it.
I also tire of comments like “public sector spending is not an investment.” Really? Investment in great schools does not generate economic value? The continued repetition of that view is dangerous to our longterm welfare. Do we really want to be what Missiissippi and Louisiana are fighting to escape from: bare bottom taxes with no decent public investment?
Not my choice.

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By: dan

dan — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:38:07 +0000

Laura,
Your perception is interesting. Jennifer submitted a budget back in February and set priorities. As negotiations began, she and the 2 legislative leaders agreed that they would not battle it out in the media, hoping to keep bruised egos (I’d say especially male ones but that’s my bias) get in the way of hard compromises. She respected that for a long time, but then released her proposal a few weeks ago. It’s aligned around: protection (e.g., police but also protection of the vulnerable), diversify the economy (e.g., using incentives to continue to develop film and energy sectors), and educate (e.g., early childhood which remains potent but badly underfunded, k-12, No Worker Left Behind, and Promise Scholarships). She proposed deep cuts – including to earned income tax credits, but also to outmoded business tax loopholes – and also revenue enhancements taxes and fees that spread the hurt and are progressive not regressive. That’s the blueprint.
Maybe she needs to get out there more.
D.

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By: Mick

Mick — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:32:23 +0000

Dan,

Thanks for the call to speak out. Crises like those challenging Michigan seem insurmountable to the average citizen. For most people, all problems are local problems. Some of us have grown hoarse from complaining and criticizing, demanding that our state and federal governments solve our local problems. The cacophony has grown so overwhelming, I fear we have deafened our representatives, asking them to wield the power of the state on a local level, as if we were calling the support line for our computer or cell phone. It truly is time to share our thoughts on solutions to the problems. Perhaps none of us has a solution. Perhaps all of us, together, do have a solution. From tiny acorns mighty oaks do grow. I sent off my bag of tree nuts this morning.

Mick

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By: Laura

Laura — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 14:03:42 +0000

Has the Governor made a proposal herself? I haven’t seen her stepping out in public to take a stand. It is a tough call – more revenue is needed, but will it worsen the business climate even more?

I want my governor to lead with her best self too.

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By: Dave Kops

Dave Kops — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 13:23:19 +0000

Read this thought on the budget mess and the comment section too.

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/section/blogs?template=kramer&plckController=Blog&plckScript=blogScript&plckElementId=blogDest&plckBlogPage=BlogViewPost&plckPostId=Blog%3acae43160-4c4f-4c51-bee6-da6f737afcdcPost%3ac660896c-f9da-4323-a421-f8f4fcd40bee

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By: Sarah Abood

Sarah Abood — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:58:35 +0000

It took me less than 10 minutes to click on the links provided (in your post today) and voice my concerns about the budget crisis to the Govenor & my legislators. Thank you for providing such an easy mechanism!

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By: karl striebel

karl striebel — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:37:02 +0000

you have the ear of the governor. What about companies like Nestles water which sucks out our water free. How about a tax on every liter? Also, how about the returnable tax on every thing plastic, just like cans of beer and pop. Maybe a .10 cent charge, 5 back to the customer, 4 to the state and 1 to collect, or something like that. We must think out of the box. Every landowner who takes water should pay a well head fee for the use and the consumption of water like the rest of us do.When was the last time we raised a beer and wine tax. a hundred million cans of beer or more or less could raise a lot of revenue. legalize certain amounts of marijuana-not the dearlers-reduce our prison population because of it. in order to save big, we must think big.other states due it and so do other countries. what about water current turbines for electricity, we have a tremendous amount of moving water. we could sell to electric companies and or pay for our(state) use.more to come. karl striebel

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By: Tony E., Kalamazoo

Tony E., Kalamazoo — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:34:35 +0000

This morning on WKZO Radio in Kalamazoo, our morning diva Lori Moore (her description, not mine) provided some statistics that show how Michigan has gotten into its current situation. For one, of course, Detroit has roughly half the population it did in 1955. (It used to be the 5th largest city in the U.S., now it’s 11th.) Also … and this is staggering … Detroit has lost 87% of its manufacturing jobs since that time. With manufacturing –including its associated blue collar and white collar jobs — providing such a large income for any economy, it’s easy to see how it all can start.

Add to that our lack of independence from foreign oil, the foreign oil embargoes dating back as far as the early 1970s, and the fact that many countries (including Japan) supplement their auto manufacturers to such an extent, and it’s possible to see one hit after another.

If you look at events over the years, it’s easy to see that our current situation isn’t the fault of one group or one political party. But one thing is for sure: In order to get out of the place we’re in, we’re all going to have to work together.

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By: theresemarie

theresemarie — Mon, 28 Sep 2009 12:16:07 +0000

Your comment “quit whining and…” can be applied outside of budget issues too. If I spend too much energy on my current reality, I will miss openings and opportunities that are consistent with my vision. As a career coach, I see this fixation on the current situation a lot. But, people who are out of work have a choice: they can dwell on their unemployment and become overwhelmed by the prospect of looking for work, or they can in your words, “quit whining and…” get busy building some skills to alter their current reality. Yes! they CAN land jobs and Yes! we CAN move beyond the current reality of the budget by committing to the outcomes we envision and taking action.

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