Comments on: Say Goodbye To Stuff That’s Over http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/ Mon, 06 Sep 2010 06:09:24 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Jim http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/comment-page-1/#comment-63849 Jim Thu, 29 Oct 2009 02:58:23 +0000 http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/?p=625#comment-63849 Mick, I agree with you on a number of points. Permit me to offer some additional comment. Poverty will be with us and there hasn't been a period of time in my life that it didn't exist. But I would argue even though it has been a part of our civil and national fabric during my lifetime, people at the poverty level in times past, were not deliberately shut out from the opportunity to perform work that required minimal skills in such large numbers that we are witnessing today. I am not sold on the belief that somehow this country and its economy cannot sustain employment for all members of our soiciety at all economic and social levels. In many instances, members of our society have survived because the low paying unskilled jobs gave them the opportunity to build an economic and social foundation that gave them the security to take the initiative to move forward and improve their lot and as Dan points out pursue higher education or aquire 21st Century job skills. While it's true we are moving to a service society that may not be such a healthy shift.That kind of transition isn't necessarily a good omen.The strength of our nation and economy was based on a variety of occupations engaged in by the men and women of America and the major industry that powered that thrust was manufacturing. You are correct I (we) do buy foreign made goods which gets to the point I am raising. We are a captive audience. There is practically nothing you can purchase at Meijers, Sears and so that's made in the USA. Remember Electolux in Greenville which our Governor so valiantly attempted to keep in Michigan? They didn't have to leave and they were making money. They didn't want to pay someone $13.00 when they could pay someone to do the same work for $1.50 per hr. So yes it's true we buy foreign goods because we don't have an option or options are limited. This is an ecomomic policy promoted and encouraged by some of the people we have elected to national office. Isn't it interesting to note the nationalism of the foreign countries who we allow to dump their goods in our country but allow so little of anything we can trade be present in their markets? And yes I get involved to the extent I can and support candidates for office who share some of the perspectives I possess about the state of affairs in our state and in our country. While many areas of thought are exchanged and discussed on line those conversations don't make it into the mainstream media and the latter know this and uses that absence of knowledge by the populace to its advantage. Thanks for your reply and well thought response. Mick,

I agree with you on a number of points. Permit me to offer some additional comment.

Poverty will be with us and there hasn’t been a period of time in my life that it didn’t exist. But I would argue even though it has been a part of our civil and national fabric during my lifetime, people at the poverty level in times past, were not deliberately shut out from the opportunity to perform work that required minimal skills in such large numbers that we are witnessing today. I am not sold on the belief that somehow this country and its economy cannot sustain employment for all members of our soiciety at all economic and social levels. In many instances, members of our society have survived because the low paying unskilled jobs gave them the opportunity to build an economic and social foundation that gave them the security to take the initiative to move forward and improve their lot and as Dan points out pursue higher education or aquire 21st Century job skills.
While it’s true we are moving to a service society that may not be such a healthy shift.That kind of transition isn’t necessarily a good omen.The strength of our nation and economy was based on a variety of occupations engaged in by the men and women of America and the major industry that powered that thrust was manufacturing.

You are correct I (we) do buy foreign made goods which gets to the point I am raising. We are a captive audience. There is practically nothing you can purchase at Meijers, Sears and so that’s made in the USA. Remember Electolux in Greenville which our Governor so valiantly attempted to keep in Michigan? They didn’t have to leave and they were making money. They didn’t want to pay someone $13.00 when they could pay someone to do the same work for $1.50 per hr.
So yes it’s true we buy foreign goods because we don’t have an option or options are limited. This is an ecomomic policy promoted and encouraged by some of the people we have elected to national office. Isn’t it interesting to note the nationalism of the foreign countries who we allow to dump their goods in our country but allow so little of anything we can trade be present in their markets?
And yes I get involved to the extent I can and support candidates for office who share some of the perspectives I possess about the state of affairs in our state and in our country. While many areas of thought are exchanged and discussed on line those conversations don’t make it into the mainstream media and the latter know this and uses that absence of knowledge by the populace to its advantage.

Thanks for your reply and well thought response.

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]]> By: Dan Mulhern http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/comment-page-1/#comment-63702 Dan Mulhern Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:27:31 +0000 http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/?p=625#comment-63702 John, Sometimes the end precedes the awareness: a death, a layoff, even a divorce. The awareness comes with the separation; we have to find a new identity. Maybe it's semantics, but it's the point that Bridges makes that makes so much sense. It's the Heraclitus point offered by David Newman above. Thanks for your continued contributions, John. Dan John,
Sometimes the end precedes the awareness: a death, a layoff, even a divorce. The awareness comes with the separation; we have to find a new identity.
Maybe it’s semantics, but it’s the point that Bridges makes that makes so much sense. It’s the Heraclitus point offered by David Newman above.
Thanks for your continued contributions, John.
Dan

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]]> By: Dan Mulhern http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/comment-page-1/#comment-63701 Dan Mulhern Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:23:23 +0000 http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/?p=625#comment-63701 Craig, I agree with what you're saying about the work ethic as a balancer to low skills, but I think we left that and entered a different world. In that different world, we thought we had secured a level of competitiveness - that all boats had risen to such a level - that you really did not have to have high skills to earn high wages. There are cottages up north and boats as well, purchased by just such people. Both management and labor protected them. But our trade laws - in a fierce global economy - don't (whether they can or not is another question). And I fear that mentality is still out there: that you can do okay without college or college-level technical skills. No? Good to hear from you! Dan Craig,
I agree with what you’re saying about the work ethic as a balancer to low skills, but I think we left that and entered a different world. In that different world, we thought we had secured a level of competitiveness – that all boats had risen to such a level – that you really did not have to have high skills to earn high wages. There are cottages up north and boats as well, purchased by just such people. Both management and labor protected them. But our trade laws – in a fierce global economy – don’t (whether they can or not is another question).
And I fear that mentality is still out there: that you can do okay without college or college-level technical skills.
No?
Good to hear from you!
Dan

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]]> By: Dan Mulhern http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/comment-page-1/#comment-63700 Dan Mulhern Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:19:10 +0000 http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/?p=625#comment-63700 Mick, Great addition. As my friend M.A. Hastings used to say in organizational practice: "don't leave the loss without the lesson." A big part of the good-byes is precisely what you are saying: savoring the goodness and learning what's there to be had! D. Mick,
Great addition. As my friend M.A. Hastings used to say in organizational practice: “don’t leave the loss without the lesson.” A big part of the good-byes is precisely what you are saying: savoring the goodness and learning what’s there to be had!
D.

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]]> By: Dan Mulhern http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/comment-page-1/#comment-63698 Dan Mulhern Wed, 28 Oct 2009 02:17:15 +0000 http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/?p=625#comment-63698 Tony, Glad you like the new look. I'm so excited that we can respond to each other's comments and not just leave them at the bottom. Always enjoy your thoughts. Dan Tony,

Glad you like the new look. I’m so excited that we can respond to each other’s comments and not just leave them at the bottom.

Always enjoy your thoughts.

Dan

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]]> By: Linda.Gerke http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/comment-page-1/#comment-63686 Linda.Gerke Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:20:52 +0000 http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/?p=625#comment-63686 Good job, Dan. We can't take hold of the new if our hands are still clinging to the old! Open up those hands! One does not have to approve of the changes; but reality would suggest we face and adress them. Our lack of approval isn't going to stop the changes from happening anyway. It does limit our effectiveness. Good job, Dan. We can’t take hold of the new if our hands are still clinging to the old! Open up those hands!

One does not have to approve of the changes; but reality would suggest we face and adress them. Our lack of approval isn’t going to stop the changes from happening anyway. It does limit our effectiveness.

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]]> By: Mark http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/comment-page-1/#comment-63684 Mark Tue, 27 Oct 2009 20:03:08 +0000 http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/?p=625#comment-63684 In order to say goodbye to that equation, I'm afraid you'd need to first say goodbye to the unions. I worked a stint for Chrysler, was a UAW member, so I'm speaking from first hand knowledge/experience. Sadly, the unions are embedded with the politicians in an integration akin to the mob. graft collusion extortion greed In order to say goodbye to that equation, I’m afraid you’d need to first say goodbye to the unions. I worked a stint for Chrysler, was a UAW member, so I’m speaking from first hand knowledge/experience. Sadly, the unions are embedded with the politicians in an integration akin to the mob.

graft
collusion
extortion
greed

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]]> By: Carla Poma http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/comment-page-1/#comment-63671 Carla Poma Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:21:41 +0000 http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/?p=625#comment-63671 Thanks Dan for a meaningful commentary. I have been undergoing change this past year. In December I will move my office to a new location. The decision was agonizing until someone said you are erasing the slate. Say good bye to the old and give it a proper memorial, without the old the new would not exist. I am saying goodbye to the old and it feels good. I have new people,and soon a new location and I feel more positive going forward than I have in a long time. Sometimes we have to say good-bye to say hello. I lost 2 dogs this year to old age and I miss them terribly. I said hello to a new puppy and I wouldn't miss her joy or zest for life for anything. We will say hello to a new Michigan and new values in the USA. We all have to say good bye to the old and embrace the new. What's that phrase. Oh yeah. Lead with our best self. Carla Thanks Dan for a meaningful commentary. I have been undergoing change this past year.
In December I will move my office to a new location. The decision was agonizing until someone said you are erasing the slate. Say good bye to the old and give it a proper memorial, without the old the new would not exist.
I am saying goodbye to the old and it feels good. I have new people,and soon a new location and I feel more positive going forward than I have in a long time.

Sometimes we have to say good-bye to say hello. I lost 2 dogs this year to old age
and I miss them terribly. I said hello to a new puppy and I wouldn’t miss her joy or zest for life for anything.

We will say hello to a new Michigan and new values in the USA. We all have to say good bye to the old and embrace the new. What’s that phrase. Oh yeah. Lead with our best self.

Carla

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]]> By: Mick http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/comment-page-1/#comment-63670 Mick Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:15:28 +0000 http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/?p=625#comment-63670 Sorry, Ms. Graham -- I clicked the wrong link for this reply... Mick Sorry, Ms. Graham — I clicked the wrong link for this reply…

Mick

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]]> By: Mick http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/comment-page-1/#comment-63669 Mick Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:14:49 +0000 http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/?p=625#comment-63669 Jim, The poor will be with us always, and I thank heaven above that there are non-governmental agencies — groups of concerned human beings — who, like the Salvation Army, respond to the needs of those folks. Start looking there for your populace willing to fight against the rising tide of poverty. Those elected officials who have let slip the social safety net you mentioned and have “allowed the exporting of employment opportunities to China, India, and South America,” are the officials that you and I have voted for and put in office. The companies that export those jobs and have abrogated the responsibility to maintain work in the U.S.A., are the same companies whose products you buy because they are the least expensive and help you stretch your dollars. You and I have voted to support them with our purchases of their products. The information age has changed the face of manufacturing forever. Fewer folks are needed to produce widgets and mops. However, those machines cannot provide customer service at any level that competes with a live human being — and many jobs are now in the service sector. These jobs have been traditionally low-paying jobs, but that is also changing as the complexity of those services and the demand for them has increased. We’re caught in the “between” times, when the foundation of the economy has shifted and our jobs have shifted away from us — I know, I’ve been searching for work since January 2009. Journalists and commentators have never been completely objective, however the nature of journalism changed with the advent of broadcast journalism — sound bytes and video clips instead of long, background information sessions — without the give and take of meetings or letters to the editor. Even that is changing, as your comments and mine prove. As the delivery and discussion of news moves into the more interactive world of the Internet, opportunities to make your opinions known are flourishing. Opportunities to “fight and vigourously challenge corporate and political agendas that attack the social and economic infrastructure of our Society,” are on the increase — on-line. Tolerance and civil behavior are up to you and me, people will listen to the aggressive promoter and attack dog, but they will follow the reasonable woman or man whose nature and demeanor promise they will listen, try to understand, and take action. Are you up for that? P.S. Dan’s commentary on the budget mess is on this blog just look at: Michigan at a crossroads. Mick Jim,
The poor will be with us always, and I thank heaven above that there are non-governmental agencies — groups of concerned human beings — who, like the Salvation Army, respond to the needs of those folks. Start looking there for your populace willing to fight against the rising tide of poverty.
Those elected officials who have let slip the social safety net you mentioned and have “allowed the exporting of employment opportunities to China, India, and South America,” are the officials that you and I have voted for and put in office. The companies that export those jobs and have abrogated the responsibility to maintain work in the U.S.A., are the same companies whose products you buy because they are the least expensive and help you stretch your dollars. You and I have voted to support them with our purchases of their products.
The information age has changed the face of manufacturing forever. Fewer folks are needed to produce widgets and mops. However, those machines cannot provide customer service at any level that competes with a live human being — and many jobs are now in the service sector. These jobs have been traditionally low-paying jobs, but that is also changing as the complexity of those services and the demand for them has increased. We’re caught in the “between” times, when the foundation of the economy has shifted and our jobs have shifted away from us — I know, I’ve been searching for work since January 2009.
Journalists and commentators have never been completely objective, however the nature of journalism changed with the advent of broadcast journalism — sound bytes and video clips instead of long, background information sessions — without the give and take of meetings or letters to the editor. Even that is changing, as your comments and mine prove. As the delivery and discussion of news moves into the more interactive world of the Internet, opportunities to make your opinions known are flourishing. Opportunities to “fight and vigourously challenge corporate and political agendas that attack the social and economic infrastructure of our Society,” are on the increase — on-line.
Tolerance and civil behavior are up to you and me, people will listen to the aggressive promoter and attack dog, but they will follow the reasonable woman or man whose nature and demeanor promise they will listen, try to understand, and take action. Are you up for that?
P.S. Dan’s commentary on the budget mess is on this blog just look at: Michigan at a crossroads.
Mick

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]]> By: Mick http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/comment-page-1/#comment-63668 Mick Tue, 27 Oct 2009 15:12:24 +0000 http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/?p=625#comment-63668 Jim, The poor will be with us always, and I thank heaven above that there are non-governmental agencies -- groups of concerned human beings -- who, like the Salvation Army, respond to the needs of those folks. Start looking there for your populace willing to fight against the rising tide of poverty. Those elected officials who have let slip the social safety net you mentioned and have "allowed the exporting of employment opportunities to China, India, and South America," are the officials that you and I have voted for and put in office. The companies that export those jobs and have abrogated the responsibility to maintain work in the U.S.A., are the same companies whose products you buy because they are the least expensive and help you stretch your dollars. You and I have voted to support them with our purchases of their products. The information age has changed the face of manufacturing forever. Fewer folks are needed to produce widgets and mops. However, those machines cannot provide customer service at any level that competes with a live human being -- and many jobs are now in the service sector. These jobs have been traditionally low-paying jobs, but that is also changing as the complexity of those services and the demand for them has increased. We're caught in the "between" times, when the foundation of the economy has shifted and our jobs have shifted away from us -- I know, I've been searching for work since January 2009. Journalists and commentators have never been completely objective, however the nature of journalism changed with the advent of broadcast journalism -- sound bytes and video clips instead of long, background information sessions -- without the give and take of meetings or letters to the editor. Even that is changing, as your comments and mine prove. As the delivery and discussion of news moves into the more interactive world of the Internet, opportunities to make your opinions known are flourishing. Opportunities to "fight and vigourously challenge corporate and political agendas that attack the social and economic infrastructure of our Society," are on the increase -- on-line. Tolerance and civil behavior are up to you and me, people will listen to the aggressive promoter and attack dog, but they will follow the reasonable woman or man whose nature and demeanor promise they will listen, try to understand, and take action. Are you up for that? P.S. Dan's commentary on the budget mess is on this blog just look at: Michigan at a crossroads. Mick Jim,

The poor will be with us always, and I thank heaven above that there are non-governmental agencies — groups of concerned human beings — who, like the Salvation Army, respond to the needs of those folks. Start looking there for your populace willing to fight against the rising tide of poverty.

Those elected officials who have let slip the social safety net you mentioned and have “allowed the exporting of employment opportunities to China, India, and South America,” are the officials that you and I have voted for and put in office. The companies that export those jobs and have abrogated the responsibility to maintain work in the U.S.A., are the same companies whose products you buy because they are the least expensive and help you stretch your dollars. You and I have voted to support them with our purchases of their products.

The information age has changed the face of manufacturing forever. Fewer folks are needed to produce widgets and mops. However, those machines cannot provide customer service at any level that competes with a live human being — and many jobs are now in the service sector. These jobs have been traditionally low-paying jobs, but that is also changing as the complexity of those services and the demand for them has increased. We’re caught in the “between” times, when the foundation of the economy has shifted and our jobs have shifted away from us — I know, I’ve been searching for work since January 2009.

Journalists and commentators have never been completely objective, however the nature of journalism changed with the advent of broadcast journalism — sound bytes and video clips instead of long, background information sessions — without the give and take of meetings or letters to the editor. Even that is changing, as your comments and mine prove. As the delivery and discussion of news moves into the more interactive world of the Internet, opportunities to make your opinions known are flourishing. Opportunities to “fight and vigourously challenge corporate and political agendas that attack the social and economic infrastructure of our Society,” are on the increase — on-line.

Tolerance and civil behavior are up to you and me, people will listen to the aggressive promoter and attack dog, but they will follow the reasonable woman or man whose nature and demeanor promise they will listen, try to understand, and take action. Are you up for that?

P.S. Dan’s commentary on the budget mess is on this blog just look at: Michigan at a crossroads.

Mick

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]]> By: Princella E. Graham http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/comment-page-1/#comment-63643 Princella E. Graham Tue, 27 Oct 2009 03:34:29 +0000 http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/?p=625#comment-63643 Great insight, Dan! Thanks for being such a consummate source of inspiration! Scripture tells us that without a vision, people parish. Vision has the power to draw people forward. Dropping the old stuff is a lot easier when you have a vision for the POSSIBLE and WANT to open your hands to grab it! As did so many others, my husband and I made great plans for the "golden years". Little did we know the "golden years" would lose so much of its "gold"!! After 25-plus years in healthcare and public policy, I had to let go of the career I knew and reach for a new beginning. With open hands, I went independent...started my own consulting company, got certified as a professional coach, and am now doing corporate strategy, leadership development and life coaching. This "letting go" has caused me to trust my passion to live life more authentically and discover how to reinvent life for myself and others. You often spoke of "sharing the vision" as a leadership quality. I claim the sacred writing that says God has "a future and a hope" for those who would choose to believe...unlimited possibility. I now intentionally choose to focus on and believe in the possibility that the future holds...whether I can see it clearly or not. Hopefully, I can help others create and hold their vision and find excitement in rediscovering their passions and moving forward into an authentic, prosperous newness. Great insight, Dan! Thanks for being such a consummate source of inspiration!
Scripture tells us that without a vision, people parish. Vision has the power to draw people forward. Dropping the old stuff is a lot easier when you have a vision for the POSSIBLE and WANT to open your hands to grab it!

As did so many others, my husband and I made great plans for the “golden years”. Little did we know the “golden years” would lose so much of its “gold”!!

After 25-plus years in healthcare and public policy, I had to let go of the career I knew and reach for a new beginning. With open hands, I went independent…started my own consulting company, got certified as a professional coach, and am now doing corporate strategy, leadership development and life coaching. This “letting go” has caused me to trust my passion to live life more authentically and discover how to reinvent life for myself and others.

You often spoke of “sharing the vision” as a leadership quality. I claim the sacred writing that says God has “a future and a hope” for those who would choose to believe…unlimited possibility. I now intentionally choose to focus on and believe in the possibility that the future holds…whether I can see it clearly or not. Hopefully, I can help others create and hold their vision and find excitement in rediscovering their passions and moving forward into an authentic, prosperous newness.

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]]> By: Jim http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/comment-page-1/#comment-63635 Jim Tue, 27 Oct 2009 02:05:41 +0000 http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/?p=625#comment-63635 Dan, This was a great topic you choose. I certianly agree with your goodbye comment about low skill jobs and high pay. On my way into work this morning I saw an extremely long line of people waiting outside a salvation army store. It was not only depressing it was disgusting. So I say goodbye to the social safety net that our government was wise to foster and the attitude it produced to help our fellow members of the human race and to help those who have the least among us. Welcome to the "Your on Your Own Mentality" Goodbye to the notion that there will be jobs for all of us because not everyone can be a Doctor, Lawyer or Engineer. Goood bye to the middle class and goodbye to any responsibility that corporate America should have to maintain work in the USA. Goodbye to elected officials in Washington who have allowed the exporting of employment opportunities to China, India, and South America who have no labor or work place standards that we have in Michigan and throughout the USA. Goodbye to objective journalism and commentators and accept those that mislead, manipulate, and distort the news it gives to the public. Goodbye to a populace well informed about current affairs and Goodbye to a populace that was willing to fight and vigourously challenge corporate and political agendas that attack the social and economic infrastructure of our Society Good by to tollerance and welcome to uncivil and aggresive behavior. Finally Dan, where can one read your views on the budget mess we have in Lansing? Dan,

This was a great topic you choose. I certianly agree with your goodbye comment about low skill jobs and high pay. On my way into work this morning I saw an extremely long line of people waiting outside a salvation army store. It was not only depressing it was disgusting.

So I say goodbye to the social safety net that our government was wise to foster and the attitude it produced to help our fellow members of the human race and to help those who have the least among us. Welcome to the “Your on Your Own Mentality”

Goodbye to the notion that there will be jobs for all of us because not everyone can be a Doctor, Lawyer or Engineer.

Goood bye to the middle class and goodbye to any responsibility that corporate America should have to maintain work in the USA.

Goodbye to elected officials in Washington who have allowed the exporting of employment opportunities to China, India, and South America who have no labor or work place standards that we have in Michigan and throughout the USA.

Goodbye to objective journalism and commentators and accept those that mislead, manipulate, and distort the news it gives to the public.

Goodbye to a populace well informed about current affairs and Goodbye to a populace that was willing to fight and vigourously challenge corporate and political agendas that attack the social and economic infrastructure of our Society

Good by to tollerance and welcome to uncivil and aggresive behavior.

Finally Dan, where can one read your views on the budget mess we have in Lansing?

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]]> By: Terry http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/comment-page-1/#comment-63617 Terry Mon, 26 Oct 2009 19:34:58 +0000 http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/?p=625#comment-63617 Why should low skills generate high pay. That seems like backwards thinking. I hope that is one that we will all say goodbye to!! Why should low skills generate high pay. That seems like backwards thinking. I hope that is one that we will all say goodbye to!!

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]]> By: Mark John Hunter - Alpena http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/2009/10/say-goodbye-to-stuff-thats-over/comment-page-1/#comment-63611 Mark John Hunter - Alpena Mon, 26 Oct 2009 18:17:48 +0000 http://www.danmulhern.com/wordpress/?p=625#comment-63611 Things that do not change: Human nature physical constants justice We can find better understandings of these, but they, themselves do not change. Things that do not change:

Human nature
physical constants
justice

We can find better understandings of these, but they, themselves do not change.

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